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Sudley Springs Catharpin Civic Association, Virginia USA

An organization created to give the residents of the Sudley Springs and Catharpin, Virginia region a unified voice and means to communicate.

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There are 2 important issues, 1) Battlefield Bypass, and 2) Tri County Parkway. Both are linked.  Pubic Comment Period Ends June 6. More Facts & contact Information HERE.


Battlefield Bypass

Someone was listening to our proposal, not the Commonwealth Transportation Board – they supported ‘D’. 

See the “Modified ‘G’” here.

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See the proposed SSCCA alternative to "G"

We don't stop at saying what we do not want, we offer constructive suggestions for improvement!

Read the Letter to the community, here.

John Pickeral (pictured)  and Greg Gorham install another sign... 21 March 2005  Property owner Scott Baker "You can put 1000 neon green signs on my property, 'D' is the worst!"

 

14 February 2005 UPDATE:: Calls to Supervisor Stirrup's Office are greatly in favor of "G" or "No Action" - CALL Sean Connaughton, and John Stirrup TODAY

Battlefield Bypass the top threat to the neighborhood

"D" alternative worst of all, by all accounts.

    1) Friends of Manassas National Battlefield Park Oppose "D" http://fmnbp.org/friends/bypass/BypassLogic.htm

    2) Pat Bradburn writes in Gainesville Times "D" is Dumb! http://www.timescommunity.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13832483&BRD=2553&PAG=461&dept_id=507243&rfi=8

    3) Heritage Hunt is planning an article for their community news magazine that identifies the Battlefield website for the EIS Study, stresses the impacts of a D decision on HH, and suggests that HH residents express their opinions in writing to Jack Van Dop and in person at the public hearing. 

    4) PW Conserve http://www.pwconserve.org/issues/transportation/Battlefield%20Bypass/index.html

Visit the Bypass official site:  www.battlefieldbypass.com

Bull Run Observer Story download

Sudley Springs History by Keith Knoke page 1 page 2 page 3 page 4

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Common Links

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SSCCA-L/

http://fmnbp.org/

http://EvergreenManorHouse.org/

http://sscca.blogspot.com/

Additional Material:

Tri County Parkway: Prince William County Capitol Improvement Plan (Where is the Tri County Parkway (a.k.a. Route 28 Bypass)??!! Someone goofed or is showing an error in judgment. (A big file to download, multiple page tif file)  Fairfax County Comprehensive Plan still has the Rt. 28 Bypass, what is the problem in Prince William?  If they finished commitments first before losing interest and starting entire new projects, like the 234 to Dulles proposal, we might actually have fixed the 234 problem in the Park by now. Gainesville Citizen Editorial and story page 1, page 2, page 3 

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"Here, take $100M to get you into the parking lot on I66 a lot faster!, " said the Mother Of All Proffers to Prince William.  What about some speculative office space in the wonderful Innovation @ Prince William?  Why can't we build high end jobs, office space rather than more houses?  If we build jobs in PWC then maybe we wouldn't have to get on I66 in the first place!

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Transportation ALERT

Dear Gainesville Citizens,                                                                                           10 January 2005

 

The news is out, soon to be announced…“D” is the ‘Preferred’ bypass route, see enclosed map (Fig. 1) or go to www.BattlefieldBypass.com be alert for the mailing, and announcement of a public hearing date.  Alternatives “A”, “B”, and “C” – all northern bypasses - were, rightly, depreciated and must remain so.  The choice of  “D” – a northern bypass through wetlands and neighborhoods - is still neither best solves our transportation problems nor preserves ‘neighborhood cohesion’ for the Rural Crescent, nor protects historical assets of the Manassas National Battlefield Park.

 

Everyone agrees, we need transportation improvements, this study will not impact only the Park, these bypasses can help fix our transportation problems.  Please refer to the attached assessment of why we believe that the wrong decision is being made.

 

Our Recommended Position:  A modified “G” - a new Rt. 29 parallel to and north of I66 with improvements to Pageland Lane - (fig. 2) has to be named the preferred route in the final Environmental Impact Study (EIS).  “This [soon to be released Draft Environmental Impact Study (DEIS)] document is a draft, it can be changed before it is made final,” this statement was repeated several times at the recent Bypass Citizens Advisory Board (CAB) meeting in December 2004.

 

Alternative Position:  If a neighborhood solution as described in this letter cannot be reached, “No Action” or “No Bypass” is suggested for this study outcome.  Rather, necessary modifications to existing roads, including adding turn lanes and added capacity to existing roads, should be adopted.  No one wins if nothing is done as a result of this study, the Park, the commuters, and taxpayers all lose.

 

·        Submit written comments and speak at the public hearing.  We want a modified version of “G” that improves east-west traffic, north-south traffic to I66, and capacity of the I66 corridor.  Make it work!   “Dump D, Fix G”

·        Write and call our public officials, including Mr. John Stirrup and Mr. Sean Connaughton.

 

While “No Northern Bypass and Co-Locate Rt. 29 on I66” is now a tough sell due to VDOT and CTB objections, a modified “G” will put Rt. 29 in the same corridor, beside I66 if not literally co-located on I66 – effectively instantly widening I66.  Please support either a modified “G”, or NO BYPASS -  improve EXISTING Park roads.  “Dump D, Fix G”

 

Sincerely,

Greg Gorham

SSCCA, President                                                  


The Top 10 Reasons to Dump D and Fix G:

10. “D” Takes Too Much Gainesville District Private Land:  If the Park is going to benefit from closing these roads then it must not do so at the expense of commuters, neighbors, and supporters.  The Park can close the roads by trading land within the Park.   “D” has more taking of private land for Park purposes, violating Federal Legislation that states the Park cannot take land for Park purposes.  “D” ruins more neighborhoods than “G”. Severing the northeast corner of the park will cause all of that parkland to be unusable unless someway is found to provide access.  If they can’t, “D” not only takes significant private land, it also takes almost as much parkland as “G”.

9. “D” does NOTHING to improve east-west traffic!  Anything that is going to cost this much had better improve things!  “D” changes a trip from Heritage Hunt to Fairfax County by ADDING four miles - creating an eight  (8) mile drive- doubling the travel distance and travel time.  The 234/29 intersection will only be moved from inside the Park to Catharpin.  Commuters will travel from the east or west entrances of the Park north to Catharpin and then back south.  That is not an improvement and is totally unacceptable.  Conversely,

  • “G” is a fast track directly east or west along I66 - with minimal distance change, potentially removes an intersection from the route, and
  • “G” gives local drivers more north-south options to get onto I66 at Manassas.   
  • “G” preserves easy Park visitor access.  
  • “G” will put traffic where traffic should be, near these businesses and in an upgraded I66 east-west corridor.

8. “G” does more to help Prince William commuters, Gainesville District commuters, and is least negative impact on Prince William and Gainesville District.  Our Board and Supervisor can spend political capitol on our behalf.  These Bypasses will be 90% within Prince William County, our local Supervisor, John Stirrup and our County Board of Supervisors have the loudest influencing voice.  Typically, the Board will defer to the Supervisor of the district that a proposal is in, in this case, within the Gainesville Electoral District, what John says will likely be the way the Board votes.

7. “G” preserves citizen investment while improving Park visitor experience AND commuter experience.  With “G”, we can get land within the Park for added capacity if we improve existing perimeter roads.  Why close a road when we need improvements so desperately? Fact: Rt. 234 and Rt. 29 within the Park will never be widened.  Many, including our Prince William County representative on the Bypass Citizen Advisory Board (CAB) promotes neither “G” nor “D” – but rather promotes no bypass and adding lanes within the Park.  The representative, rightly, claims citizens lose their investment in the existing lanes within the Park when Rt. 234 and Rt. 29 are closed.  But, adding lanes to or encouraging use of existing southern Park perimeter roads also preserves citizen investment.  The cost of adding lanes within, or on the perimeter, of the Park is comparable.

6. “D” dumps all Loudoun traffic on the Rural Crescent, Gainesville District and Prince William County. We are no dumping ground for traffic, and will not take all the negative impact for the Tri County Parkway while Fairfax County avoids it.  With “D”, Loudoun County will dump all the cars from thousands of new Loudoun County homes onto our already jammed roads.   Alternative “D” will effectively put BOTH of the contending versions of the Tri County Parkway - and their traffic - in Prince William County to compete with local Gainesville District commuters.  “G” does not build a “Great Wall Of China” that carves the Rural Crescent into bite size pieces and encourages sprawl development.  “D” has four times the flood plain impact than “G”.  The bridge over Route 234 though the middle of the Sudley Springs community will have a major negative property value and historic view-shed impact.

5. Problems with “G” are not insurmountable:  Highway engineers have to realize they cannot get everything they want.  The old days of promising everything and delivering nothing are over.  “G” has solvable engineering problems.  The costs of “G” and “D” are comparable when you look at total wetlands, total bridge construction and total right of way acquisition costs.  If engineers are inclined to do so, they can engineer any solution they want to, they just have to WANT to make “G” work.  “G” can work.  Generally, “G” upgrades existing roads, a section of Pageland Lane that is south of Rt. 29 - parallel to I66, (possibly not on Bulloch Drive with proper design), Battleview Parkway, Vandor Lane, and Bull Run Post Office Road.  In fact, “G” was the design originally intended to take traffic out of the Park.

4. “D” ruins virgin view-sheds, “G” is against I66 already.  Historic assets of the Park should have highest priority.  The Bypass Study is intended to help the Park, that means protecting their assets.  “G” uses a route that already has view-shed damage along I66, the power-lines, and the quarry in Fairfax County.  Conversely, “D” ruins pristine view-sheds, compromises historic assets when there are other more feasible routes.  The “D” alternative intrudes on view-shed of the Park at Sudley Springs, and both Sudley Fords, a historical area that is called out specifically by the Civil War Preservation Trust as historically sensitive.  “D” would severely and irreversibly impact Park resources near the “Mullikin” Tract, a severed area in the northeast corner of the Park, which the Park would otherwise be obligated to preserve and protect for future generations.

3. Any major Pageland Lane highway proposal in “D” and “G” robs funds from urgent needs.  The bypasses should NOT lead the public into believing we have the money to build them.  Money is SCARCE, highest priority has to be to fix urgent problems, NOW.  We scarcely have enough money to widen I66 to Haymarket, fix the 29/66 intersection, and many other urgent needs, let alone adding to the list by giving a remote impression we can build an outer beltway.  If anyone tells you this project is not attempting to build a WTC or bypass to Dulles, they are wrong.  To lead commuters on by implying this road will help get transportation problems fixed is irresponsible.  This project will only delay fixes to east-west corridors.  A fixed “G” is more attainable because it is in line with current critical needs/plans, due to a phased implementation on Pageland Lane corridor, and minimal right-of-way expenses for the east-west segment.

2. Fixing the “G” timeline can save Pageland Lane.   The study group states that the ‘Rt. 234 Bypass along Pageland Lane will be built regardless of what this study has for an outcome.’  Both “G” and “D” are problematic, to protect Pageland Lane, constraints and phases have to be amended into the “G” timeline.

  • When ‘lines are drawn on the map,’ the purchase of right-of-ways must happen instantly to protect homeowner investments.
  • Add critical safety features to Pageland Lane to include adding a shoulder, smoothing some curves and connecting – with only 2 lanes - to the 234 Bypass at I66.  This will mitigate the current north-south problems within the park by offering an added alternate route to I66 and lessen the ‘purpose and need’ for a major new - expensive - highway. 
  • And, if there is money, and if the ‘purpose and need’ remains after the Tri County Parkway is built within Fairfax County, then and only then should the new highway along Pageland Lane be built.  Stipulate now that Rt. 234 be closed inside the Park at that time.

These conditions will allow the study group to “plan for the closure of 234 within the Park,” as the 1988 legislation mandates.  These conditions are less costly – realistic – commuter relief

1.    The number one reason to pick “G” over “D” is … Over 80% of Gainesville District voted to change direction in 2003 – rejecting this legacy developer driven dictate is necessary to finish that job.

 

Mr. Jack Van Dop

21400 Ridgetop Circle

Sterling, VA 20166

Phone: 703-404-6282 Fax: 703-404-6217

Jack.J.Vandop@fhwa.dot.gov

Dr. Robert Sutton

Manassas National Battlefield Park

Manassas, VA 20109

Phone: 703-754-1861 Fax: 703-754-1107

Robert_Sutton@nps.gov

Mr. John T. Stirrup, Jr.
7873 Ashton Avenue
Manassas, VA 20109
Phone: 703-792-6195 Fax: 703-792-7664
Aide: (703) 792-6196
gainesville@pwcgov.org

Mr. Sean T. Connaughton
1 County Complex Court
Prince William, VA 22192
Phone: 703-792-4640 Fax: (703) 792-4637
Aide: (703) 792-4641
sconnaughton@pwcgov.org


Planning Maps for Alternatives D and G

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Figure 1 The Study Group preference, Alternative "D"

Figure 2 The better alternative for PWC, Alternative "G"

 

Download the original SSCCA Bypass Letter page 1 page 2 page 3 page 4

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SSCCA Proposed "G"

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Here are sections of a proposal, you may download the larger images but understand they may take a while to download.

We have invested many hours and days in this proposal, we think it is better to provide a solution rather than only say what we do not like.

Pageland has several approaches, the Study versions all are less useful than our SSCCA-Pageland-A shown here.  This intersection is a "T", through traffic does not stop, EVER. Most directions have minimal ramps.  All travel directions are preserved and the design does not fail with higher traffic loads as the at-grade intersections do.  Bridge costs are cut in half because only one direction is lifted, this design is used extensively in Maryland today.  

Note the Pageland connection on the north, it is 2-lanes.  It is phased construction, there CAN be 4-lanes there in the future when demand warrants but we ask for a time delay until AFTER the Tri County Parkway is built in Fairfax County.  Note this study assumes both the 234 Extended AND Tri county Parkway are BOTH built, this Bypass study claims they do not enable those roads... All we are asking is a priority in the timing of construction, TCP first.  

Also, to minimize future threat to the Park viewshed, the right of way along Pageland will be encased in easements, irrevocable easements that will not allow density increases and will not allow future curb cuts, it is a limited access road forever. (download)

 

An additional ramp can be added, shown here in lower right hand side blue highlight, to ease access from the south to the north along the new Rt. 29 Bypass toward the proposed TCP in Fairfax County. (download)

 

Pageland must be protected.  This study should not enable or make the Pageland corridor more likely to be made into 4-lanes.  In fact, the Study claims the Pageland corridor will be built regardless of the outcome of this Study.  If that is so, why  does this plan have to stipulate it will be 4-lanes?  Are they independent or are they not?

Protect Pageland by doing  this leg of "G" last, allow time to pass and build the TCP in Fairfax County to help those in Manassas get to work in the Dulles Corridor.  Then, and only then, build the Pageland leg of "G".  This study is about the Park so it is not unrealistic to expect the Park will be protected, that being the case it is not unreasonable to mandate the Pageland corridor be encased in irrevocable easements to protect the viewshed of the Park. 


(Once Heathcoat has been constructed to Catharpin Road the demand for Pageland (assuming 234 is closed in the Park) will be much less.  Currently, Catharpin Road commuters are forced to go north then south, adding miles and time to their commute.  Heathcoat will allow commuters an alternative to avoid the 'death trap' Catharpin/55 intersection.)

An alternative that has been receiving positive reaction is not connecting Pageland to the 234 Bypass.  Nowhere in the study is that connection required if the study is about relocating traffic from 234 and 29 within the Park.  The costs of this version do not include new ramps from I66.  Traffic flows easily from north west to south east....into Fairfax County where the Tri County Parkway or I66 can take commuters to DC or Dulles corridor.

Here is a SSCCA-Pageland-B drawing: (download)

A major hurdle the Study group ran into regarding "G" is the congestion it creates at 234 Business and Battleview/Bulloch.  This new intersection is too close to the existing I66.  Solution:  Use the Vandor Lane right-of-way which still is owned by the state.  Aerial images prove it is possible to fit 4-lanes in there.  The key advantage of this SSCCA-Battleview/Bulloch is the through traffic does not need to touch the brakes for the entire trip east to west.  Faster, simpler and an improvement over existing travel on Rt. 29.  The SSCCA-Battleview/Bulloch proposal eliminates the congestion. 

The aerial photo version.  (Download this image in the original scale and you can zoom in very close.)

East west through traffic does not stop from the either end, something impossible in the Park today on existing roads!

The Park and VDOT state that the Rt. 234 and Rt. 29 within the Park will never be widened, period.  Well, what about the public investment in those roads and why are we not forcing the Park to give up lane to widen those roads?  Answer, the SSCCA Fixed "G" proposal does use existing roads within the Park, Pageland goes all the way around the southwest corner - co-located along I66 corridor to Groveton and Vandor goes along I66 co-located in that corridor.  The Park, in this case IS GIVING UP LAND to 'widen Rt. 29 and Rt. 234'.  It is a win-win.  Park gets roads closed and preserves the historic two lane design, public gets faster east-west and north-south roads and additional lanes which would have never been available without the change.  For the Park this option has least negative impact on virgin scenery and for neighbors this has least impact on property. (download)

West ramps Bulloch Drive (download)

Center ramps 234 Business and I66 (download)

East ramps Battleview Parkway joining Vandor Lane (download

An end to end picture without aerial photo. (download)

The ramps at either end can be under only one side of the road to cut costs....the west side may be best with a ramp under both directions since the road is elevating there already.

       

This higher resolution photo proves again that 4 lanes will fit on the Vandor Lane right-of-way. (download)  This section of road is at the same grade as I66, no need to put in bridges, just use the grade of the existing road and use vertical walls on north edge to connect into existing grade.

Yes, it is possible to get no closer to Bull Run Estates than any other alternative gets to any other Prince William County neighborhood...  The route against the quarry is ruined already.  Remember, this proposal uses EXISTING Park land or EXISTING right -of-way more than any other proposal.  This proposal allows commuters to never touch the brakes, that is impossible on any other alternative or the existing Rt. 29 in the Park. (download)

This proposal has been submitted to the Study group as part of the public comment provision of this study.

 

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Tri County Parkway 

Public Comment Period for TCP ends May 21

Support "Comprehensive Plan CBA"

ALERT Linton Hall/Vint Hill/Manassas 

Which route will help your commute, a "road to Leesburg" or a "road to Fairfax and Dulles Corridor"?  

Original Study Map download here (pdf)

Virginia DOT official site here

Download the flyer... a "road to Leesburg" or a "road to Fairfax/Dulles"?  

You decide, 

pick, speak at hearing, write the study group promoting "TCP Comprehensive Plan Candidate Build Alternative (CBA)

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Last chance to send this message is Monday, June 6.

Support “Fixed G” For Commuters ---

Make the 234/29 intersection nightmare STOP!

·         Bypass Alternative “Fixed G” will speed you through the Manassas Battlefield 

WITHOUT a 30 minute delay at the 234/29 intersection!

·         “Fixed G” is ‘ramp access’, non-stop, 4-lanes east/west on existing Vandor Lane, I66, and east/west Pageland Lane inside Park,  

upgraded north/south Pageland Lane (Support easterly Tri-County Parkway ‘Comp. Plan Alternative’ both N/S and E/W fix)

  • Commuters come FIRST “Fixed G” will help commuters BEST
  • STOP the “D” alternative NOW, “DUMP D” Today we determine the best alternative of the routes
  • Today is not a funding decision point, tomorrow we determine how it ranks with other critical road proposals.
  •  “No Action” leaves commuters with a MESS if the Park fights widening existing 234/29 forever.
  • The Park is cooperating with “Fixed G” we can fight the issue forever or get the commute through the Park fixed.
  • If Alt. “D” is selected, your commute around the Park will DOUBLE in length!

Call, Write, Phone, Fax, E-Mail the decision makers before June 6:

FHWA, PROJECT DIRECTOR
Jack Van Dop
703.404.6282 (Office)
703.404.6217 (Fax)
 21400 Ridgetop Circle
Sterling, VA 20166

jack.j.vandop@fhwa.dot.gov

NPS, PARK SUPERINTENDENT
Robert Sutton
703.754.1861 (Office)
703.754.1107(Fax)
 12521 Lee Highway
Manassas, VA 20109

robert_sutton@nps.gov

NPS, NATIONAL CAPITAL REGION
Susan Hinton
202.619.7106 (Office)
202.619.7420 (Fax)
1100 Ohio Drive, SW
Washington, DC 20242
susan_hinton@nps.gov

PARSONS TRANS. GROUP, PROJECT MANAGER
Kenneth Mobley
202.775.6026 (Office)
202.775.3389 (Fax)
10521 Rosehaven St., 2nd Fl.
Fairfax, VA 22030
kenneth.mobley@parsons.com

Gainesville Supervisor
John T. Stirrup, Jr.
7873 Ashton Avenue
Manassas, VA 20109
Phone: (703) 792-6195
Fax: (703) 792-7664
Aide: (703) 792-6196
gainesville@pwcgov.org

Occoquan Supervisor
Corey A. Stewart
13083 Chinn Park Drive
Prince William, VA 22192
Phone: (703) 792-4643
Fax: (703) 792-4833
Aide: (703) 792-4644
cstewart@pwcgov.org

PWC Board Chairman

Sean T. Connaughton
1 County Complex Court
Prince William, VA 22192
Phone: (703) 792-4640
Fax: (703) 792-4637
Aide: (703) 792-4641
sconnaughton@pwcgov.org

Brentsville Supervisor
Wally Covington
8506 Wellington Road
Suite 101

Manassas, VA 20109

Phone: (703) 792-6190
Fax: (703) 257-9792
Aide: (703) 792-6191
wcovington@pwcgov.org

Neabsco Supervisor
John D. Jenkins
4361 Ridgewood Center Drive
Prince William, VA 22192
Phone: (703) 792-4668
Fax: (703) 792-4669
Aide: (703) 792-4667
jjenkins@pwcgov.org 

Coles Supervisor
Martin E. Nohe
4360 Ridgewood Center Drive
Prince William, VA 22192
Phone: (703) 792-4620
Fax: (703) 792-4610
Aide: (703) 792-4621
mnohe@pwcgov.org

Dumfries Supervisor
Maureen S. Caddigan,
15941 Donald Curtis Drive, Suite 145
Woodbridge, VA 22191

Phone: (703) 792-4645
Fax: (703) 792-4622
Aide: (703) 792-4648
mcaddigan@pwcgov.org

Woodbridge Supervisor
Hilda M. Barg
15941 Donald Curtis Drive, Suite 140
Woodbridge, VA 22191
Phone: (703) 792-4646
Fax: (703) 792-4993
Aide: (703) 792-4647
hbarg@pwcgov.org

 

 

Frank Wolf Congress
Washington Office
241 Cannon Building
Washington
, DC 20515

(202) 225-5136
(202) 225-0437 fax

http://www.house.gov/wolf
  

 

 

 

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